Halo Maps Forum

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Quote: --- Original message by: P3How about giving us a release date?

As often as people ask this question, I would think that, if they had a release date in mind, they would have given it to us.

Well, they could at least tell us an estimation of how long it might take them. Maybe tell us what it is that needs to be worked on other then telling us, " it needs polishing." What is it that needs too? If everything, then at least tell us or show us something interesting to keep us from being tired of waiting.

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I have another question, something I've been thinking about lately. It's been mentioned a few times before that TSC:E and SPV3 will have separate tagsets. What is the logic behind this compared to having a single, unified tagset for both? If this is meant to be a single, cohesive CMT experience that can be played all the way through from start to finish, why have one map that is inconsistent with the rest of the campaign? I don't doubt that both tagsets will be polished and fun to use, but what about consistency? It would be incredibly off-putting for one map to have different bipeds, models, animations, textures, behaviors, etc.

It stems from a misunderstanding and also because both teams worked so long and hard on their respective tagsets. Initially, some of us understood one would be chosen for all maps, but others were under the impression the B30:E map and tagset were independent . However, it eventually came to a point where the SPV3 maps wouldn't play well with the Evolved tag set if that were to be the sole tagset (SPV3 is many maps and encounters, while B30 is just a single but awesome map), and the B30 team didn't want to get rid of their weapon balance, after designing the mission with it in mind for about a year.

What's ultimately going to happen is B30:Evolved with the Evolved weapon set is going to be released, followed by "Phase 1" of SPV3 a month or so later, which includes SPV3 A10, A30, A50, and concludes with SPV3 B30:E (Which is B30:E with the SPV3 tagset). In short, B30:E is a map with a custom tweak and tailored tagset, and SPV3 is meant to play out as an expanded H1 Campaign, while incorporating the all new B30.

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right now we have 2 tagsets, we have one designed by Iffy where all weapons are completely independent from their H1 tag values (think of how H2 did it's weapon behaviors), and we have mine where everything is built to retain what I believe people love and want from Halo CE.

I don't want to start something here but one could draw a couple of misleading conclusions from this, so I'd like to try and clarify a bit

Several different variations on weapon stats, behavior, etc. are being presented to testers simultaneously, mostly along the lines of a varation crafted by myself in our b30 test-builds and another by Masterz in his SPv3 test-builds, with the idea that the good bits and the bad bits of each will be able to be more easily identified (and then be converged or eliminated) by comparison and contrast. In combining the theoretical high points of two seperate methodoligies while removing the disadvantages, the end product would ideally then be a deliciously marbled gameplay cake.

However, in both cases, the goal is to "retain what [whoever] believe[s] people love and want from Halo CE;" the difference is how "what makes Halo 1 Halo 1" is interpreted -- and believe me there are differences. It's easy to see why 343 left the gameplay completely untouched for Anniversary.

This is still a very ongoing and very not-finished process, though, so I don't want to get too into detail until we've got things more solidified on our end