I'll wait until the beta before I make any decision on halo 5. There's been some betas I've been in that are just as bad bug wise as some launches recently *cough*bf4*cough*

Is that your genuine opinion, or are you just copying what the guy in the video said?

That is my opinion. I watched some of the video. Not all of it :|

Edited by SS Flanker on Dec 6, 2014 at 01:00 AM

No, but the problem is that he is supporting the wrong doings of a company that really did know better than to release a game like this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how incredibly broken the game is. And no its not "Microsoft's fault because they pushed it", its both theirs and 343's. They are a team. I should also mention that the game was incredibly hyped up, and all of these problems were obviously never shown or mentioned in any videos or documents (I mean, they are out to make money. Why would they?) They don't want to say the game is "Early Access" because then people would wait to buy it, another thing they don't want.

How am I supporting the wrong doings of 343? While I am privy to some behind the scenes information it doesn't mean I support releasing a game that only half works. But regardless of the matchmaking woes, the SP portion of the game has been exceptionally solid and lots of fun.

You always seem to get upset at hype, but thats marketing for you and for any game to be successful you need to make people want to play it. Clearly part of the hype for the game wasn't met. People have a right to complain about the game but it's not a total disaster, despite it's multiplayer being an embarrassment. A good portion of it works just splendid.

When H5 comes out I will get it, and probably pre-order it so I can have it ready to play when the clock hits midnight. Worst case scenario and the MP and SP portions are unplayable due to network problems and I can't play anything in it, I will simply have to wait for it to work. And when it works I will play it, as the alternative is to wait till it works and then play it. However I do not expect that to happen. What's going on with the MCC collection is not the norm for online games, although most have hiccups initially. MCC is also not a normal game and it's networking is highly ambitious and frankly unprecedented.

You are merely attempting to justify 343's low quality release, and what you say is incorrect or too vague. "A good portion works just splendid" is nonsense, and depends on your definition of "good portion". Clearly the majority of reviews have a different notion of a "good portion". Sure, it might have been unprecedented in some regards. But they could have prepared for it much better. Again, these are just ultimately lame attempts to justify terrible short-comings.

In the end the point of the video is very clear. 343 and MS are not your friends who wish to treat you to a glitch-free, perfect gaming experience. They are out for a business transaction, and will path-find their way to the most efficient algorithm that reaches said goal. In this case, pre-orders is just one of the problems. People already commit their buck to the game, and they know they can afford to launch a glitchy product.

Indeed those very people are part of the problem. They are giving a bad signal to developers and publishers, that it is okay to release unfinished products. In the extreme case, you are saying that you would be buying Halo 5 even if it was complete garbage in terms of performance and broken features (I'll leave story and intended gameplay out of this, since it's purely subjective).

I hope by now you understand how you are supporting the wrong doings of 343.

It depends on where his priorities lay. There are those that want a polished product right off the bat, and those who don't mind getting something a bit earlier even if it means they might have to wait for some of the bugs to be ironed out. We may not like the idea of developers releasing unfinished products, but if others are totally fine with the tradeoff, I'm not sure that any of us can tell them that their priorities are wrong, because they're still getting exactly what they want out of the developers. What they want and what we want might be two different things, but I don't think either side of the debate can say that the other is outright wrong.
Edited by Echo77 on Dec 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM

With the pre-release reviews, the game was getting fantastic scores until MP imploded on itself and the scores were adjusted. Find me a review before the MP imploded that bashes the game.

I am not okay with games being released incomplete and patched with everything you expect later, I was a big complainer with the Titanfall launch and how bare bones it was. Now with updates it's really awesome, and feels like the full package you'd expect from a $60 dollar game. 343 can not afford to sell another broken product like this as it's already marred their reputation, as well as the XB1. If MCC collection is not fixed quickly and fans are compensated, the casual customer will not trust them or buy their games.

I know I want to play Halo 5 and am going to spend $60 on it regardless if it's pre-launch, launch, or post launch. I fully expect all games to have launch day issues, H2, H3, Reach beta, and H4 all had issues in their first week of release that had to be rectified. If each new product from 343 releases with the same level of issues as MCC customers will start to stray away from Halo and 343 knows it. However I do not expect us to ever see a launch with this many issues from them ever again.

I do fully support 343, I like the way they are handling the franchise far more than Bungie did and if Destiny is any indication, they know how to make a better games. That doesn't mean I like every decision they've made or think its okay to release broken games, and if releasing something that is unplayable in certain aspects becomes a constant thing for them, my support will change.

I'm with Masters on this one for sure. I've been playing the hell out of MCC whenever I can since day one, and if it was really as broken as everyone says it was, then I wouldn't already be over 1000 kills in multiplayer (and that's during the little amount of time I actually have to play the game, with schooling, work, and personal relationships occupying most of my time). I've definitely earned my money's worth more so from post week 1 MCC than I have with Destiny or most other games released this year.

Sure they had issues at first, and there's no excuse for it, but as long as I feel like I've earned my sixty bucks back at some point by being entertained by a game, then I will continue to support the franchise.

I definitely think this whole situation has been over dramatized by the gaming community, and from my experience MCC is great fun on both the multiplayer and singleplayer side of things, but none of that is going to impact my decision to buy halo 5. If the game looks really good I'm probably going to pre order it and buy it day one. If it doesn't look amazing I'll wait awhile then buy it. And if it looks horrible I likely won't play it. But all of that is my business, as it's my money, and nobody is going to convince me that it's wrong for me to spend my own hard earned cash on what I want to spend it on just because a game was bugged for a week and half.

I haven't played MCC so I won't judge it

Just to elaborate, I was talking about post-implosion. Eg, when the game became available to the majority of the playerbase, or the time in which reviews can most accurately be done for multiplayer.

Think twice before pre-ordering anything Halo 343i

So much hate, haha. If only kids got this worked up over real issues. I bought the MCC 95% for campaign, and have been having a good time with it so far. Feel free to call me a sheep or whatnot, but I bought a product for a specific function, and it has been serving that function very well. Eventually they'll get MP working too, and then I'll be happy to jump into that; but again, for myself personally the MP in the MCC is a pretty low priority. I do understand the people who bought the game specifically FOR the MP being mad, though. Sucks to be them, I guess.


I do agree with the guy in the video in that pre-order culture is problem for gaming in general. Other than that, he sounds like a whiny little brat who gets pathetically worked up over a goddamn video game like 343i murdered his entire family. Grow up.
Edited by AntonMK14 on Dec 9, 2014 at 04:27 PM

He does this for Youtube views.

Not sure how that works out in his favor, that was painful to listen to.

It works like this: rant about a popular slightly-controversial topic, and receive 156,232 views by taking 20 minutes of your time.

Yeah, but maybe he'd get more views if he didn't sound like mommy just took away his juicebox.

Well I suggest you do the proper calculations and let me know which option will indeed provide the most views.

Not just him, but look around this forum, the users get far more emotional and melodramatic when somebody likes something they don't or merely over disagreements. It just goes to show how bad today's parenting is, and how irresponsible parents are in this day & age.

Not only do parents refrain from making their kids get a life, but they let them do whatever the hell they want on the internet, and then turn sites that could have been good into complete cesspools.

To tell the truth, the internet would be a far better place if there weren't any kids or teenagers on it.

Not quite, parents can teach their children to be less emotional about trivial things, which video games can be considered when you compare them to everything else there is in life.

Not only that, but parents are also in charge of what goes on in their households, and that means they can stop the kids from ruining threads with their whining about how 343 Industries isn't making their products copy & pastes of the first entry in the franchise.

Basically, the majority of these posts are complete BS, and the users here should just deal with it. KIDS are the ones who are doing the complaining (or kids in men's bodies, that is), and without them here, I assure you that we wouldn't be seeing these posts. If we did see posts that indicated satisfaction, they would be far less dramatic.

Is it me or does the forum get more angry around the seasonal holidays?

I won't trust 343 after Halo 4 and from what I head about TMCC. They haven't yet made a single Halo game by themselves after, what, three titles? They can't even do right with the help they've managed to get from other studios. Pre-ordering anything from them is definitely out of the question; but since this is a halo site, I can already foresee those pre-orders for Halo 5 coming in from users on the site. :)
Edited by Noble on Dec 12, 2014 at 01:18 PM

Observe.

A true scholar within our mists.

I salute you fair maiden or noble sir.