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Edited by Mysterion on Jan 30, 2010 at 05:32 PM

Quite frankly, it's boring. The blue AI is not too bright, and the red AI is even worse. Only once every like 3 minutes you see one bot actually try to push into the enemy base, and it's usually pointless for you because they all have perfect aim with assault rifles, even to the degree of being able to pick you out of a warthog with them.

It looks like you're using deathless in the last screenshot. It could be just me, but I prefer AI maps where you don't need cheats in order to eliminate the enemy base. Tone down the amount of AI there, or the damage they do, maybe?

Personal preference...I enjoy trying over and over to get into the enemy base, taking out the snipers, tossing C4, using shields or whatever. It is extremely tough, but if you don't like it, I understand...we can't win them all!

Sorry Bro, you no likey...always try to do my very best, even if it takes months.
Ya gotta have tough skin to post at this forum! LOL

He's asking what makes this different, not that it sucks.

Looks boring it looks like another mod of a map w/ ai randomly pinned in. and the ai are set to the max. now if this was MP SP like what Gamma has it may be cool. But MP Ai is extremley boring.

If you don't like it, please remove it from your maps directory...really it won't bring any tears to my eyes! I always review the threads that posters have contributed to in the past...why is it that Gamma seems to be the only one to truly have constructive criticism to offer?

I do this for my own satisfaction when I find an MP map that I like playing and try to make it solo. Want to share what I've done so that someone else might enjoy it too, and have had fairly good success doing this in the past.

Someone had asked for an advanced copy, so I tried to please...I will now remove from public access.

Thanks

Stop being a baby and ignoring everything, ya pansy.

...and when was the last time you uploaded anything to this site Kiwi?

Never, but Kiwi never dodged questions regarding what he made for anything, really, unless it was meant to be a complete surprise.

Not to mention that whether or not Kiwi uploaded anything to this site in particular has little bearing on you being a pansy.
Edited by Kiwi on Jan 30, 2010 at 02:01 PM

I really don't know how old you are, but I'm pretty sure I'm old enough to be your father, having both a 14 and 16 year old of my own.

It sounds illogical to have never dodged a question about something you have never uploaded here. Once again, if you don't like it, please do yourself a favor and save the disk space by removing it...why waste my time and yours sparring over some map mod you don't like? If you don't think I contribute anything positive here, well I'm very sorry son.

I have explained quite clearly why I create any mods, and I also use it to unwind from my stressful work. I always try and respect the work of others, regardless of the complexity, effort, and time that they may have spent. Some maps that I've downloaded here look quite primative compared to others, however, that individual may have put their heart and soul into developing their work, and to have someone who doesn't have a clue on how to do the work themselves, absolutely drag it thru the mud, just does not feel seem right in my mind.

You will never find me negatively critique someone's work here, where I always try and live by the motto "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all".

As for, "Does this map feature anything that would set it apart from other random MP maps with some ai bots thrown in?" I'm not trying to dodge the question, just don't know what kind of answer you're looking for. I added a few Easter eggs and surprises here and there, some portals, additonal vehicles and weapons, so on and so forth...

Edited by Mysterion on Jan 30, 2010 at 03:38 PM

With its terrain, its a bit too tight for much AI vehicle operation, etc. I experimented some with hogs, ghosts and banshees, and stuck with the ghosts. A couple of turrets operated by AI. There are some creatures in the caves waiting for you to cross through their domain, and some waiting for you below.

By the way, Mysterion would like to ask why Kiwi posts in "Third Person"?

cause kiwi is a cool troll. only coll trolls get to be in 3rd person.

Little bearing on anything.



You apparently misread what Kiwi said.



Kiwi has made things for other games and if someone asked him a legitimate question about his sound packs, he would not go "Stop being mean and don't download it."



Kiwi's waiting for this game of Dawn of War to get going.



Who said that?



Kiwi is saying what he found to be wrong with your mod. He is not going "u sux worst map ever nub loloololol." He is giving you legitimate complaints. The lack of activity beyond the middle doesn't make the battle feel very alive, and due to the accuracy of the bots with ARs, which you could have done something about, and going out by yourself just ends poorly. Not to mention respawn speeds are set too high, especially in those caves. Also, what's with the AI being able to take a warthog driving straight into them?



Kiwi's pointing out what he finds to be wrong with your mod. He is not flaming you or anything, and personally, Kiwi finds negative critique to be best as it points out what people are doing wrong so that they can fix it. Do you not want people to know what their flaws are so that nothing is done to improve?
Edited by Kiwi on Jan 30, 2010 at 04:28 PM

I should not have posted this topic, and pm'd someone the link personally...I'll know better next time.

You'd have gotten these comments anyway, unless the one you uploaded to halomaps is somehow more complete.

The reason you got comments was becuase people were critiquing your map. Thats not a bad thing, it helps you become better. Even if you think the information is rude, its showing what other think of the work, and from that information you can make a better map, with better encounters, better experiences for the player, etc.

You know, for someone who may make a simple AI map, you guys fail to realize that they could be using as much effort as someone making a completely custom map.

So if I make a topic for an AI map I'll get flamed because my ADD prevents me from getting anything accomplished in 3ds?

The community gets even lower!

That wasn't the point at all.

What he showed here was a simple map that anyone could of made by simply watching a tutorial on this website. That takes no effort at all, and he obviously didn't take the time to create an interesting encounter and/or experiences for the player on the map. Even though his creativity was limited due to the map already being made, he still could of made a more interesting map.

tl;dr : It takes no effort to make something like he had done.

Unless it's advancebo criticizing your map.

No, actually you're wrong there. Sure you may think someone could make this map by watching a tutorial, but if that was a true statement, would we have users coming here asking how to add AI to maps?

Yeah, and when there do there normally linked to video or rudely told to search.



Yeah, unless its advancebo.
<3 u bo
Edited by Higuy on Jan 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Isn't it so very funny how those who are the proverbial critics at this FORUM never upload anything worthwhile, and obviously don't have the skills to do so...

Doesn't take any effort to create? I worked more than two months on this map...if you can do a better job, please do and upload if you dare.

As they say "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
Edited by Mysterion on Jan 30, 2010 at 10:42 PM

If it seriously took you 2 months to make that, I'd REALLY go look at a tutorial. Sorry.

And if your saying I've never realeased anything, I've released more then 20 maps to this website, with some of them being popular among the community.

As for L0d3x and Kiwi, L0d3x has released some nice AI maps in the past, and Kiwi is a long lasting Halo CE member.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but everyone knows what there talking about here. Either learn to accept crit, or just don't post at all.

Edited by Higuy on Jan 30, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Ok, List them then so we can critique them right now...I'll be waiting.
Edited by Mysterion on Jan 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Dude you can't criticize Higuys maps, it's just not possible. You will spontaniously detonate if you try.

I just find it interesting how my simple posting has created such a stir...I have never played on any of Higuys maps and would never troll a thread just to criticize someones work like this.

I do this just to unwind, and hopefully offer something positive for someone to enjoy playing. If you don't like it, don't play it. I am sure that there are plenty of maps that some of you guys have uploaded that many might find to be total crap, but they don't go out of the way to blast you. I have over 75,000 downloads, so I must be doing something right.

I think maybe its time to retire...my goal was 10 uploaded maps, but after today maybe I should just stop like the old quarterback who's reached his prime.

To be honest, after looking at the list I did download Peril, and believe I gave it a 9.

Edited by Mysterion on Jan 30, 2010 at 11:55 PM

Well, of course many of the map makers have uploaded things that they regret, especially early work. It's just how creators of anything are. You look back on your old works after you have learned so much and the flaws just stick out like a sore thumb.

You wanna unwind by making maps? That's fine, Kiwi used to unwind by writing, however Kiwi had no problem accepting criticism. In fact, that's the one thing he wanted most so that he could learn and improve.

As to the "You haven't made maps so you can't comment," Kiwi may not be able to point out poor modeling or tags, but Kiwi's long time of playing Halo does give him some familiarity with what does and doesn't make good game play.

(And criticizing is not trolling, that would imply that Kiwi was saying such things just to get on your nerves and not so that you could know what you are doing wrong.)

Me thinks Kiwi doesn't know how to do anything constructive...

Thats the thing I'd love to i can do all the stuff but when it comes to 3ds max i have no artistic skills. i can model but not artisticaly. So i decided to give Crit to people. Basicaly all were saying was how this map couldve been better. it may sound rough but geuss what thats what Critics do we point out the flaws so you can fix them. so calm down dude. stop arguing if you say the age you trully are why are you starting fights w/ a bunch of teenagers. (most of the people on this forum)

Criticism should be taken, yes, but there's a line which crit should stay behind. Whenever I give crit, I always point out how nice the thing is, but mention several small points which could use improvement. Once they fix it, then I repeat the same process. If you give harsh crit right up front, odds are, people will never finish whatever it is that you were giving crit on. I find this only valid if the model / animation / texture / map is absolutely FUBAR. Otherwise, I try to find small things to fix one at a time, which would cause the creator to improve.

You are wise and mature beyond your years Gamma, and know what you are doing, which is at many times the exception here...this is why I always respect what you have to say.

With all my responsibilities at home and work, I don't have as much time as some of you guys have, but do try to work on my mods on the weekend, or late at night when everyone else has gone to bed. I've had my time, but unfortunately there wasn't Halo CE to mod when I was a young man. I did have Galaga, Robotron, defender and Pac Man though!

Kiwi won't sugar coat it because that fat would eat it.

Kiwi didn't like it, he gave legitimate reasons why. Quite frankly, the only thing Kiwi liked in it was that Famas (it was a Famas, right?) and Kiwi has a feeling he got that from somewhere else.

Sure I got the Famas from some other map. I always try and give credit to anyones map, tags, etc. Check the readme for every map I have ever done. Why do you keep on and on and on? What's the point? Do you have anything better to do?

I hereby challenge Kiwi to produce and upload a successful map at this site...
Edited by Mysterion on Jan 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM